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1/27/2013 9:28:00 PM
Letter: Letter unfairly derides the wealthy

EDITOR:

The stunning letter by Ms. Gloria Bowers demonizing successful individuals who have been fortunate to acquire wealth and build a solid financial profile, is yet another example of what the "class warfare" rhetoric and actions orchestrated by this administration has done to undermine our society. Calling successful people "the filthy rich" is disgraceful and disgusting.

This type of on-going negative diatribe is no doubt having an adverse negative effect on the historical generosity of successful people as evidenced by the decline in overall charitable contributions at food banks and religious oriented organizations. It is clear that his kind of language contributed to voters not supporting the extension of the so-called "temporary" 1 percent sales tax in Arizona.

The focus of our national financial problems should be directed by the Senate, which, contrary to law, has not produced a budget in four years. Imagine that. No successful household or business operates without a budget where spending continues without limitations. We are not operating in a utopian society where all our wants and desires can be met without consequences. Unfortunately, the lack of understanding of the damages done to the economy and society by ignoring or minimizing the negative impacts of the deficit and suggesting income redistributionist and class warfare policies is our road to solutions is a clear reflection of the progressive policies infiltrating our educational system.

Bernard M. Cygan

Prescott




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Reader Comments

Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013
Article comment by: J K

@az to sea. I appreciate your point of view. Here is what has happened as I see it. The industries I am talking about targeting are industries that produce goods, not necessarily raw materials. Mining will occur where the material is and it occurs in this country. What doesn't' occur in sufficient numbers in this country is the manufacture of consumer products. To prove this you only need to visit any mall, cruise the stores and see how many products are made in America. This is a result of trade policies which don't protect our workers, but protect the interests of corporate America. As a result, over the years our tariffs have been lowered while other nations tariffs have remained in place. Consequently American manufacturers can relocate production to those countries to be able to sell there and provide jobs in those countries while at the same time have unlimited access to our markets. To cite a famous Presidential candidate of 1992 , we are hearing the large sucking sound as jobs leave this country.
The only way to stop this from occurring is to level the playing field. It makes no sense to allow trading partners to enact tariffs which restrict imports of American goods while at the same time giving those trading partners unrestricted access to our markets. If we don't take action to rebuild American manufacturing, we will necessarily have to provde EBTs, and other benefits to the population that cannot find jobs. Those same countries don't construct trade barriers to our natural resources such as lumber or coal or oil or grain. We ship those overseas on the same ships that bring back toasters, computers, televsions ,T- shirts, cell phones and increasingly refrigerators and washing machines.


Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: AZ to SEA

To JK – I partially agree with you but, even if as a country “we return to the days when we had tariffs…..”, we still have government agencies as well as organizations that target and go after certain industries and manufacturers (no matter what positive economic impact they could have) to a point that for those companies (both small and big) there is no clear path or reason for them to think that it could be “financially advantageous to invest here”.

We always hear the comments about wanting jobs to come back to the US but it seems like they also just want “certain” industries. There is all this talk about “green jobs”, “clean energy” but those industries cannot provide jobs for everyone. There are many industries that through current technology has improved but yet are still looked at with hateful eyes and “not in my backyard” mentality.

Look at just one industry that has been a part of Arizona for decades and generations that is a perfect example …...mining. How about the steel industry back East? The technology that is available for these types of industries has improved significantly yet to start-up either type of operation would take years of permitting, studies, surveys, etc. We have existing companies that could be producing (something the US was the leader of), but in some circumstances we have government agencies and organizations that have gone to extreme lengths to prevent that from happening, ie., regulations, lawsuits, etc.

We as a nation need to stop living in the past with old mindsets about certain industries and wrap our arms around the technology we do have that has improved it so that we don’t have to import all the items that we use to make right here in the USA.


Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: J K

So Hooty. Why not return to the days when we had tariffs that protect our workers and provide some incentive to have manufacturers invest here? We don't have to do anything more drastic than duplicate the tariffs put on American goods by foreign countries. We just identify those industries we want to protect or promote and make it financially advantageous to the companies to invest here. Any money received through those tariffs could easily be used to train our young people in the careers necessary to support those industries.

Posted: Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Article comment by: Hooty Hoo

@ J K: Perhaps you're right, but those manufacturijng jobs probably won't come back, even now when the difference in labor costs is much smaller (because nations like China and Korea's standard of living has gotten so much better/ higher wages, and the amount of labor needed to make electronics has gotten smaller). It would only increase the price of an iPhone about 8% to make it here now. The problem is our workforce sucks. We don't have the engineers. We don't have worker bees that can gear up quickly and produce when demand surges. We have cheap energy (way cheaper than China) and plenty of empty factory space. We also don't have the materials, and it's expensive to ship them here. It just isn't going to come back anytime soon. Our workforce killed the goose that layed the golden egg. Thank those GM retirees that bankrupted that company.

Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: J K

@Hooty. No argument that technology has captured some jobs never to return, but not all. It takes people to facilitate the technology.. In the 80's we saw tlelvision and other electronic manufacturers move overseas. . They are still there using foreign labor. We saw small appliance manufacturers move overseas. Try buying a toaster made in America. Clothing manufacturers, same thing. Many goods that used to be made here , now gone and the jobs with them. Large appliance manufacturers moved from Newton, Iowa and elsewhere to Mexico and the Orient.. It wasn't because the robots worked cheaper over there. If it was all about technology, there would be no reson to move. No, it was about profit and the bottom line. It was their idea to lower trade barriers so they could still have access to the marketplace but not support the workers who make up the marketplace. And they used political influence to enact " free trade" which is not the same as " fair trade. China and others have tariffs designed to protect their labor force so the wise manufacturers can move there to get mrket access without losing market access in this country. Nothing wrong with profit, but you cannot expect the boardrooms to act Patriotically, but you can expect them to use Patriotism to manipulate public opinion in their favor.

Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: Hooty Hoo

@J K: You're right in that middle class jobs were lost in the recession and most won't come back. But that's no because of the Bogeyman Rich. It's because those jobs were made obsolete by technology. Jobs like Cashiers, travel agents, human resources, jobs that require doing stuff over and over. They're gone forever. And America's workforce just isn't adept at the complex jobs that pay in today's economy. That's not Rich Bogeyman's fault.

Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: An American

@Another Opinion, You are correct, but forgot the family (D) Scenario, the largest group in America.

Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: Another Opinion

We will always have "class warfare" but it really isn't about money, it's about character.
Hypothetically, if we ALL had exactly equal amounts of money, we had the exact same homes to the square inch, equal everything, we would still end up with class warfare.

Look at families A, B and C in this equally distributed scenario...

Family A budgets their money prudently. They shop sales, save coupons, shop thrift stores/garage sales, mend their clothes, etc. They cook at home. They find entertainment options that are not expensive. They maintain their home and save for the future. They save enough to risk that money on opening a small business which employs 2 additional people. The future looks good for them, and offers opportunity to the public.

Family B likes to eat out, entertain, travel and does not shop thriftily or cook much at home. They end up with no money left in their budget to fix their home other than occasional bandaids and they have no savings. They live paycheck to paycheck. They notice Family A's success and wonder if they are getting the "extra money".

Family C has accrued huge debt. They have no budget and continually spend more than they take in. Appliances are broken, the carpet needs replacing, and the home is in major disrepair, the grass is a field of weeds, As their debt impacts their ability to spend they become frustrated. They wonder how families A and B have done so well. They gather to discuss the unfairness of the system. They begin to complain about the vast differences between the have and have nots.

We could all have the same amount of everything, and we would still have class warfare. It isn't about money, it's about self-restraint and character. Those who succeed will do so because they live a life of sacrifice and hard work to do so. We cannot be equal by giving everyone the same amount of wealth.

Until all PEOPLE are of the same in CHARACTER and drive, we will continue to have problems with jealousy and class warfare. Character needs to change and a distribution of wealth will not make that change.



Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: Give'm Hell Harry

Bernie, turn off the TV and cleanse your mind of the FAUX News brainwahing (owned by billionaire Rupert) and quit being a victim. Volunteer your time and help others. You'll feel a lot better about life and yourself.

Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: Gory Al

Hey libs, wanna jump all over your Hanging Chad and Global Warming Hero now? Talk about getting snuggy with the power people, he's worth 2 million in 2000, and 300 million now. He's worth more than Romney. But you would have voted for him over the black guy, admit it, if he were running now. He sells his cable channel to Obama's henchmen for $100 million. What a freaking chump!

Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: J K

Lowering and eliminating tariffs tariffs designed to protect American workers. Class warfare? Yep. Shots fired by The rich so they could move production overseas and still have access to lucrative American markets.
Limiting access to trade unions by passing right to work laws and stripping workers of the power to negotiate collectively. Class warfare? Yep shots fired by the rich to increase profits by paying less in wages and benefits.
Then, to add insult to injury, blaming the unemployed for not getting a job as you send their jobs packing. Or blame them because you lower their wages to the point that even though they work, they cannot make enough to support themselves . All shots fired by the rich in their assault on the middle class. Is it any wonder that the income gap between the rich and the shrinking middle class is the largest in the industrialized world and is growing every year. But, let's blame the poor for the economic climate created by the rich for the benefit of the rich.


Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: Hooty Hoo

The rich had better head for the exits, and fast, because you ain't seen nothing yet. Now that America is ruled by minorities (within 5 years there will be more minority children than whites, not births but total youths) it's time to "bend it like Omamba". Yeah baby things will be sweet all over. We'll have to learn Spanish and Hip Hop to survive. I'm heading for New Zealand thank you.

Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: Tongue-in-Cheek .

EXTRA, EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT.
Tom Von Deck FINALLY GETS THE CLEAR PICTURE TOTALLY CORRECT.


Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: Paula Gize @ Tom Van Deck, finally gets it.

Yes, Mr. Van Deck, at last you get it. I know you were being tongue in cheek, but your scoffing innuendo is actually -By Accident!- right on target.

It is statistically accurate to conclude that almost half the US population pays no taxes, is on the government dole, and is in fact sitting home (or out on the street committing crimes, when not making babies). Many of these people come from other countries, speak no English, and are 60% of the time illiterate in their own language.

Just was in the media that Compton, CA is now an unfriendly place for black Americans as so many Mexican street gangs have moved into the area.

Likewise, read recently that Chinese baby factories are scattered, by the hundreds, across the USA wherein near term pregnant Chinese women come to the USA, give birth (for free), file for WIC and other "entitlements", then fly back to China with the baby who is now a US citizen already on the dole.

Right now, today, in Phoenix many women (usually illegal residents who came from south of the border) will give birth (for free), and immediately be signed up for welfare. You can often see them standing in line for benefits at various government offices as American mothers drive past on their way to work.


Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: trickyrick smith

The letter completely misses the point. what is objectionable is the Multinational Corporations buying our government and any policies they want passed to their advantage.

This is not capitalism. It is crony capitalism, a reverse totalitarianism. and it makes these Multinationals extremely rich, causes a disadvantage to all other businesses, creates monopolies, destroys innovations, and determines the winners and losers in the US and world economy.

I wish I could pay zero income taxes like the Multinational Corporation GE.
Don't you?

But you better be able to hire a lobbyist and put a couple million into a politicians bank account in order to get these 'perks'.


Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: Common Senzi

I wanna be a hedge fund manager and pay 15% income tax while I manipulate markets for my benefit when I grow up.

Posted: Monday, January 28, 2013
Article comment by: Tom Von Deck

What I learned on the Daily Courier site: Half of able bodied Americans are sitting at home, eating bon bons and collecting fat welfare checks. They're all democrats. The WORKERS (republicans) are the only people filling the workplaces, except for those communist professors who are hard at work scheming up insidious agendas and those hippies in the county health department doing the same.

Posted: Monday, January 28, 2013
Article comment by: Bob Lynne

Class warfare has been with us for a long time only Bernie has it backwards. The warfare stems from the ever increasing loopholes and subsequent income increases for the rich. In the past 10 years, the top 1% garnered over 90% of the income increases. The Middle Class and working poor lost income.
The idea that the non-profits have lost donations because because the wealthy have been called "filthy rich" is ludicrus. The so called rhetoric about asking the top 2% to pay more in taxes would not affect the vote on the 1% tax increase here in Arizona. After all, the top 2% population in Arizona is probably less than 1%.
Hopefully what is easing into the education system is the fact that income redistribution is not a new thing and that the TARP and the Stimulus that admittedly increased our deficit, also saved the world economy and prevented a prolonged depression.


Posted: Monday, January 28, 2013
Article comment by: Professor S

Class warfare of the rich against the poor has been going on for centuries. The rich cry about class warfare when the poorer fight back.
Most of the rich did NOT make it on their own. MOST of the rich bought the government which has giiven away 230,000,000 acres of land to rich people. 2.7 tillion in 1980 dollars have been given to rich corporations since 1980. Most rich received their wealth at public expense!


Posted: Monday, January 28, 2013
Article comment by: Jack May

@ John Kroski

Hey John ! Please tell us how you came up with the 70 percent number. Are you a statistition? Do you canvas neighborhoods all over the US and people personal questions dealing with wealth?

Or did you borrow the 70 percent figure from the great profit Obama?


Posted: Monday, January 28, 2013
Article comment by: Liberal Talk

This "rich, white, males, is the kind of talk the liberals campaigned on. Rich, white, males. referring to the Republicans. Funny, because the Democrats are just as rich, white and male too.

Posted: Monday, January 28, 2013
Article comment by: Yes you are

Just because a person went to college, earned a degree, then became successful does not mean they can make anymore money than anyone else. You Republicans, need to realize that you are no longer in control, and will be opening your wallets to make things even. Being rich is "filthy". We Democrats are doing you a favor and taking you to the cleaners

Posted: Monday, January 28, 2013
Article comment by: justa thought

if you get rich making and selling widgets, you are the back bone of the american economy, the personification of the american dream and deserve great praise.

if however you get rich by market manipulation, bankrupting companies, selling worthless assets and nearly destroying the world economy then don't expect to get much love from the average person


Posted: Monday, January 28, 2013
Article comment by: Tongue-in-Cheek .

Only in America could the rich people - who pay 86% of all income taxes - be accused of not paying their "fair share" by people who don't pay any income taxes at all.

Posted: Monday, January 28, 2013
Article comment by: Jack May

@ Bernard M. Cygan
I could not have said it any better if I were Thomas Jefferson. Our country has changed over the last 20 years. As a people we once had a great work ethic. Success was something to always be strived for. People who worked hard would be rewarded with financial security. Today we live in a world of entitlements. It seems like half the population would rather live off these entitlements than work. In their quest to garner more and more entitlements they attack those who have worked to become successful. This hatred towards the working class is further fueled by the derisive actions of this current administration. The age old strategy of divide and conquer has served the liberals well in the last 20 years but never so much as in the last 4 years under the chief divisor Obama.



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